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schism
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Re: GI MAP

Post by schism » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:06 am

Despite the GI MAP indicating I have HP, my GI doctor wants to do an endoscopy next week before treating HP. He said because I've had burping and heartburn, he needs to see my stomach/esophagus and do biopsies before deciding on treatment.

I have no day to day pain in my stomach and I can eat anything I want except sugary carbonated drinks (those make my stomach ache bad). Other than that, I have some burping and with that, I get heartburn at times.

Is it overkill to do an EGD? I am having anxiety about the EGD and the knock-out drug they will use while doing it.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by Helico_expert » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:16 am

it sounds scary, but you wont feel or remember a thing. So dont worry. It's good to have a record of your current stomach condition by EGD. So, in the future, for some reason that you need another EGD, at least you have something to compare with.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by schism » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:38 am

Endoscopy completed and doctor told my wife everything looked good except erosion on esophagus and gave me a prescription for 40mg omeprazole once per day.

Still waiting on biopsies.

Can the erosion heal? My main concern right now is will the damage heal or not. I sure don’t want to be on a PPI my entire life...

Is HP a common cause of GERD and once fixed the GERD stops thus so do PPI?

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Re: GI MAP

Post by Helico_expert » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:31 pm

Erosion can heal when the acid reflux is stopped by PPI.

H. pylori can cause GERD, but not all GERD is because of H. pylori.

Some patients develop GERD after eradicating H. pylori.

I think we still dont know how GERD happened and so we dont have a good treatment plan for it other than PPI.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by Gem stone » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:25 pm

Hi guys,
After h pylori chronic gastritis is caused in me even after tripple therapy it has caused some food intolerance how to deal with it by reading success stories of gastritis on net I have found many people develop food intolerance as h pylori causes gap between stomach wall cells due to swelling and food particles go to blood stream and result in food intolerance stomach upsets .
Any one in this group who is able to deal this food intolerance caused by h pylori ?
Any one had good experience with digestive enzymes recommend me some?
Any one had experience of dealing stomach upsets after tripple therapy guide?
Any one healed gastritis with homeopathy?

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Re: GI MAP

Post by schism » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:40 pm

Helico_expert wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:31 pm
Erosion can heal when the acid reflux is stopped by PPI.

H. pylori can cause GERD, but not all GERD is because of H. pylori.

Some patients develop GERD after eradicating H. pylori.

I think we still dont know how GERD happened and so we dont have a good treatment plan for it other than PPI.
That’s good news. When will the PPIs stop? If it takes a month to heal on PPIs that sounds good, but to what end?

I’m afraid to begin the PPI treatment worried that I will develop dependance and be on them for life. They reduce stomach acid yet stomach acid is very important to break down your food. PPI increases your risk of malnutritionment and upset microbiome and c diff.

I’ve read that gerd is usually from not enough acid — yet here we are taking away even more acid.

I’m just confused and upset. I need solid answers and direction and it seems no one has it.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by Helico_expert » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:44 pm

GERD is normally cause by too much acid. It's important to suppress the acid as the reflux can burn your throat and increase risk of throat cancer. Some very bad GERD can also cause tooth corrosion.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by schism » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:45 am

I called the doctor's office and spoke w/ a nurse whom went over the results in a bit more detail. She said that the erosion was "grade A" which she said is the least damage grade (so that is good news). She also said they saw some "stomach discoloration". I asked if that is gastritis and she said maybe, waiting on biopsy.

I don't understand why I would be prescribed a 2 month course of PPI when I get biopsy results in a week which could indicate new information and avenues of treatment...

I think I'm just going to hold off on the PPI until I get biopsy results.

Helico_expert, in your practice and exposure to HP patients, do you see some that have their reflux cured when their HP is? For me, I feel like if HP eradication stops my burping, it will stop the reflux.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by Helico_expert » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:59 am

Erosion and reflux (or GERD) is cause by the excessive acid. Hence you were prescribed PPI. It could be 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Since PPI is very safe drug, you can take for a long period of time.

So why is there "excessive" acid? in a simple way of explanation, it is because of H. pylori. H. pylori is the root of the erosion problem. getting rid of H. pylori can almost certainly cure your erosion and stomach inflammation. However, the reflux "switch" may already be turned on by H. pylori and to turn it back off is not that easy. at the moment we can only control the acid by PPI and hopefully it'll turn off by itself after a while.

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Re: GI MAP

Post by schism » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:11 am

It seems as though you are saying 2 contradicting things. You’re saying it’s excessive acid that’s the problem and it’s caused by HP, but you also say you can eradicate it yet a “reflux switch” may still be on. So which is it.... excessive acid or just a reflux of acid? Are you saying that even after HP eradication, acid levels may stay high? Is that what you mean by reflux switch?

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