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Dublingirl
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Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by Dublingirl » Mon May 13, 2013 9:33 pm

A probiotic is defined as a living microbial species that, on administration, may have a positive effect on bowel microecology and improve health conditions (6). At present, the most studied probiotics are lactic acid-producing bacteria, particularly Lactobacillus species (7). Probiotics have been proven to be useful in the treatment of several gastrointestinal diseases such as acute infectious diarrhea or pouchitis (8). The intake of probiotics can be beneficial in H. pylori–infected subjects for several reasons.

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Re: Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by Helico_expert » Tue May 14, 2013 10:48 am

It's an interesting article.

However, from my point of view,
1. probiotics are bacteria and will be killed by the antibiotics you took to kill H. pylori. So, how effective it is to help, I am not too sure.
2. probiotics are probably good after the antibiotic therapy because the bacteria in your intestine will slowly grow back, and probiotics COULD, perhaps, maybe reduce the chance of bad bacteria growing back.
3. probiotics are good bacteria, however, i am not sure what happened if they become antibiotic resistant. for example. Ecoli, very abundant in our intestine, is harmless until it becomes antibiotic resistant AND acquire a toxin gene. Then it can gives horrible diseses.
4. Probiotics CANNOT eradicate H. pylori. at least not yet.

Finally, I am not against probiotics. if you feel good taking it. please continue taking it. After all, a positive thinking is very important.

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Re: Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by davehompes » Tue May 21, 2013 4:01 am

Hi all - this is a thread that's up my street.

Agreed: probiotics alone haven't been shown to eliminate H pylori (at least I haven't seen the studies if they are out there).

But there are many studies indicating probiotics enhance the efficacy of triple therapy, and also reduce side effects.

Not every study concludes that probiotics are beneficial, but many do.

Furthermore, probiotics may reduce "rebound" Candida overgrowth during/after triple therapy (a couple of studies show that within 48 hours of taking triple therapy or even just PPI meds, Candida begins to overgrow. The reason is that stomach acid keeps it in check, so if you suppress stomach acid, you give the yeast organisms a chance to proliferate).

In terms of antibiotics killing probiotics, this won't happen to a disastrous degree if the two different products are taken at different times, away from one another. You will get some killing of the good bugs by the antibiotics for sure, but it doesn't mean the probiotics won't be effective.

They also carry many other potential health benefits: aid in digestion, reduce inflammation, support immune function, etc.

Cheers,
Dave Hompes.

PS: the references on probiotics are in my book - I'll also write an article shortly on this topic to add further detail.

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Re: Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by Helico_expert » Tue May 21, 2013 9:49 am

Not every study concludes that probiotics are beneficial, but many do.
just want to comment on this.

I think it's simply a publication bias. All the negative results are simply not publishable.

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Re: Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by waleeed00 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:22 pm

In terms of antibiotics killing probiotics, this won't happen to a disastrous degree if the two different products are taken at different times, away from one another. You will get some killing of the good bugs by the antibiotics for sure, but it doesn't mean the probiotics won't be effective



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Re: Helicobacter pylori and Probiotics

Post by Helico_expert » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:34 am

Agreed. Some probiotics produce natural antibacterial agents. killing these probiotics doesnt mean deactivate the antibacterial agents. Assuming that these probiotics carry some "beneficial" proteins, they will be released in your guts even when they are killed by antibiotics. You dont need them to be alive and multiply to make "good" protein (or nutrient or vitamin or antimicrobial agents). You just need to constantly eat them.

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