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Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

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Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by power1 » Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:20 am

Hi helico folks,

Probably seen me posting alot.

I have some question related to the above "Helicobacter heilmannii" that causes chronic gastritis.
Would like to know more about this Gram-Negative bacteria.

a) Does this happens in children only?
b) Mode of transmission even from animals?
c) Do other h.pylori antibiotic supposedly clears this Gram-negative as well?.
d) Unable to differentiate which Gram bacteria via UBT C13?.


// Excerpt from some med-discussion:

Diagnosis of the infection is difficult (5). There is currently no serologic test available. Because of inconstant and low urease activity, the 13C urea breath test result may occasionally be positive. Thus a considerable number of patients with H. heilmannii infection may have. H. pylori infection diagnosed when diagnosis is made only on the basis of the 13C urea breath test. Culture is difficult and so far only practicable in experimental settings. H. heilmannii may therefore only be detected morphologically on histologic sections. This makes a strong case for endoscopic evaluation of children with suspected gastritis or ulceration, not only to assess gastrointestinal disease, but also to make a correct diagnosis of cause.

There are only anecdotal reports on the treatment of H. heilmannii. It has been reported recently that treatment with omeprazole, clarithromycin, and metronidazole was not effective in a patient with duodenal ulcer disease caused by H. heilmannii; the patient had to be treated with omeprazole, tetracycline, metronidazole and De-Nol (6). However, in our patient, treatment with omerprazole, amoxycillin, and clarithromycin for 2 weeks was sufficient for eradication of the bacteria. Nevertheless, controlled studies are certainly needed.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Helico_expert » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Helicobacter heilmannii is just like helicobacter pylori.

Helicobacter is very host specific. Normally human strain will not cross infect animal and vice versa. That's why in 1984, Prof. Marshall was not able to find an animal model to do the experiment and he himself had to drink the bacteria to proof that it is the organism that cause stomach gastritis.

H. Heilmannii is normally in the cats, dogs, and rats. These three animal hosts share this strain because they have been chasing each other for generations.

When a human is very close to these infected animal, it is possible that the bacteria finally get the right mutation and jump host and infect human. Just like SARS jumped from Avian, HIV from monkeys and Ebola from the flying fox.

So far, H. Heilmannii is known to cause the same disease as H. pylori. Normal diagnostic test, such as breath test, cannot differentiate between H. heilmannii and H. pylori. Stool antigen test and blood test may even miss H. heilmannii because the diagnostic kit may be too specific to H. pylori.

H. Heilmannii can be treated exactly like H. pylori and may develop resistance just like H. pylori.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Pdraper » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:22 pm

Hello,

I was wondering if I can get the animal h heilmannii or any other strains if i let my dog sleep in my bed? When she was a puppy I would let her lick my face and I read that it is rare but possible to get it from dogs, I had the blood test that just shows the antibodies so I don't know if they where just looking for ones specific to h pylori or if it would be the same for all.I just am so afraid of get reinfected once I get this taken care of?

Thank you so much

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Helico_expert » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:54 am

yup, it's rare but it is possible to catch an animal Helicobacter. Given enough exposure, the bacteria will eventually learn to adapt to new host and jump host. Just like SARS.

The best test would be breath test as it tells you your current infection status. Blood test can only tell you your if you had been infected before. It doesnt matter if you have H. heilmannii or H. pylori. They both can be treated with triple therapy.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Pdraper » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:28 am

If my dog was a possible source would I be at risk by sleeping in the bed with her?

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Pdraper » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:41 am

Or is it just exposure to feces and saliva or vomit that would put me at risk? Not by simply just sleeping by her?

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Helico_expert » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:01 am

it's hard to say. I must admit that i am not very familiar with animal Helicobacter species. I dont know how well they survive in the oral cavity and feces.

Nevertheless, it's not bad that you take the treatment, get rid of the Helicobacter, then wait a month, repeat the breath test to see if you still have it.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Pdraper » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:12 am

Last question, you mentioned the blood test just shows if I ever have been infected, is it possible for it to go away on its own maybe at some point in my life? It's just weird to me cause other people's stories of this infection seem so much worse than mine,I just went in for a minor stomach upset that was on and off for a couple weeks that was made slightly better by eating, not even painful. And more burping than normal and he thought it was an ulcer and did a blood test and now here we are.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Helico_expert » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:00 am

I would say in the very beginning of infection, it is possible for the H. pylori to be eradicated by your own immune system. But once the H. pylori has figure out how to avoid your immune system, you'll be infected for life.

the antibody against H. pylori will stay in your body for weeks to years. everyone has different immune response against infection. So, if your blood test is negative, it's most likely true. If your blood test is positive, it is possible that you had it many years ago. Usually people will go for blood test screening first, because it is a lot cheaper. If blood test is positive, then go for breath test testing, which is a few times more expensive. That is more economical in countries where H. pylori prevalence is low. In country like China, Brazil, India and other developing countries, blood test pre-screening is a waste of time as almost everyone is positive.

anyway, if i havent answered your question, please ask again. This forum is meant to help people out.

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Re: Helicobacter heilmannii bacteria

Post by Pdraper » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:56 am

I'm in the United States and have never heard about this ever and no one I know knows what I'm talking about either. about three years ago I was very sick for about 4 days and the dr said gastroenteritis and have me an antibiotic (I think, can't remember) and anti nausea med, that seems more like what others are describing! Is it possible it happened then and went away? Or maybe a false positive blood test?

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